God the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost

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Recently on my post Who Can Satisfy? I received a comment from someone named Vragensteller-Inquirer.

You have a very confusing phrase in your posting “So what does it mean to be truly satisfied in Christ? Well, we will have a sense of peace that surpasses all understanding. We glorify God when we are truly satisfied in Him.”
You first talk about being satisfied in Christ and than you say you truly are satisfied in god, giving the impression though in the previous phrase you need Christ also to become satisfied. Why aiming at two persons or beings when there is the Most High to trust?
I can understand that you would come to believe and put your hope in Christ, when he is the sent one from God and would have restored the relationship with Allah. But your writing gives the impression you do not believe he is the sent one from God. It all looks like you have made him into your god instead of praising and worshipping the same God Jesus (Ishi/Jeshua) worshipped?

I responded the best I could and received this in response

How can Jesus be at the same time God and God’s son?

I explained that it is in the Bible and that I believe in the Trinity, God the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. I also explained that there are things on earth that we will never truly understand until we get to heaven. I received this in response:

Leigh where does it say in your bible (and what for bible is that?) that God is Jesus. In the bibles I have encountered it nowhere says such a thing.
You yourself quote a bible verse wich clearly says Jesus is the son of god and not god Himself: “Matthew 3:17 says “and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”” Or would you agree that God is not telling the truth and has come to earth but now does not want to tell it is Him standing there in the water of the river Jordan.
In the second quote you give “John 1:14 says “And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.” You come to say a word, something spoken or written down is God. So when you speak and I hear your word I would hear God or see God. do you not forget to see what is written in the second part of the phrase “glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.” where is clearly written that the word which came into being, i.e; that what God had said became reality (is the apostle not pointing to the promise in the Garden of Eden that He would provide a solution against the curse of sin and the curse of death?).
When you have been raised in church all your life and still have trouble understanding everything, would it than not better to clinch to the Words of your Holy Scriptures and believe them instead of the many human teachings. Or would you not better go to a church where everything is as clear as clean water?

Leigh is it not more that you worship a confusing god? Allah is a God of clarity and not a God of confusion. Your god at one point says He is the Most Almighty and at an other point he say he can not do anything from himself. One point he says I am the only one true God above all gods Host of hosts, a god Who can not be seen by man, and at an other point your god is seen by thousends of people (and still fall not death, there are even ones who resurrect). At one point your god says he is a spirit and at an other point he says he is no spirit. At one point he even comes to prey to himself why he has abandoned himself. How can one forsake oneself? at one point he says not to worship him or not to pray to him but at the same time he says you have to pray to god (which is himself according to you)? that looks very much more confusing …..

I honestly do not know how to respond to this. I’m still new in my faith, despite having grown up in church.  I don’t want to confuse this person anymore than I already have.

I’m going to reach out to my fellow bloggers for help in responding to this person’s comments. I’m at a loss and I feel overwhelmed with this. I’m not good with debating. I get flustered and confused myself and I really want to help answer this person.

8 thoughts on “God the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost”

  1. I would guess that this man is a Muslim. One of the biggest problems Muslims have is the Trinity. They cannot fathom a God that has three personalities. Your faith is in a god named Allah and they brew Jesus as a man of God, a teacher and nothing more. So he is challenging the trinity more than anything else.

    I would suggest you do not get into an argument with this man since you are a young Christian. Tell him you value his input but will not get into such an in-depth discussion with him cuz you know his faith does not allow him to believe in a Triune God.. You could also ask him if Jesus is not who he says he was and only a teacher and he would have to be a heretic. How else could he possibly say that he was the son of God? How else could he make the claims that he did. He said in one place I and my father are one. I cannot give you the exact scripture at this time but you can look it up.

    My preference would be that you do not debate with this man he will only try to confuse you.

    Pray and ask God what you should do and let me know if you have any other questions.

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  2. I am praying that God gives you the answer Leigh. I feel that you are making great strides in your faith, and that this is just a stumbling block, that is just my opinion. I pray this person finds the answers they seek, although I feel very strongly they feel they have the answer and that they feel it is you that is wrong. I don’t feel you can explain it in a way that they will understand or accept, just like what they are saying, you do not understand, and I feel you would not accept :):) You have your belief, they have theirs. Give it to God. He will reveal to them the clarity they seek, and give you the peace from the situation :):):) God bless you Leigh.

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  3. When someone is really only wanting to “muddy the water”, they are not really wanting answers. I’m in agreement with the other replies offered so far. The only thing I would add to what they have said is after dealing with others of no faith or different faiths, I go back to what I know, not what I can explain but what I know is truth. I believe in a triune God who is one in power, authority and character. Jesus Christ is God the Son who came as the Son of man to die for my sin and the sin of the whole world. He was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, was crucified to pay my sin debt, and rose from the grave to give me everlasting life. He has given me God the Holy Spirit to live within me that I might witness of Him to others. One day God the Son will return to take all who believe in Him to be with Him forever. These things I know and believe are true. I can’t explain it all but it is what I believe.
    After this there is no arguing left to be done. It’s what I believe. I don’t have to prove it only accept it. Not only does this end the debate, the gospel has been presented simply. The rest is left up to the Holy Spirit.

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  4. 2 Corinthians 4:3 KJV
    But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost…

    Similar to God we are a three fold creature. humans are made in his image genesis 1:26. I think of it this way We as humans have a soul, flesh, and a spirit. The soul in comparison to the father, flesh to Jesus, and God gave us his spirit when we receive salvation. Colossians 1:12-22 and hebrews chpt 9 &10 KJV talks about how christ is the image of the invisible God and successfully redeeming us. The word God is a title, so are father and son. Jesus is the NAME of God. Jesus is God in flesh for the purpose of teaching us so we as humans can understand, relate, worship, pray, and behave as he did. that is why he prayed (etc) to himself to set an example for us. I heard a preacher explain it this way. an egg has three parts but it is still one (in the bible its labeled the god-head). on the topic of Jesus dying on the cross he didn’t forsake himself. In order to understand why his death was necessary you have to understand the old testament. the old testament laws required sacrifice in place of sin. In order to fulfill the laws Israel presumptuously agreed he took everyone’s sin and traded places with us. christ death is what inputed righteousness in to saints (that’s why we can call ourselves that). He demonstrate his love for us and now we are under grace instead of the law. in other words he cleaned up humanities mess:). what other doctrine can say their God did that! People know the truth God wrote it in hearts and minds . also Muslims believe in the cohron the prophet that they were looking for was Jesus not Allah. it’s an extremely watered down version.

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